The rest is the work – the art of “Time off” and your Ikigai with Max Frenzel

Max Frenzel makes his own sourdough. What a guy! He obviously makes time to do this. In Episode 11 of Ikigai with Jennifer Shinkai, he talks about the benefits of rest and something he refers to as (Insert American accent here) “Noble leisure”. If you have ever wondered how you can improve your life through choosing your activities more carefully, then this is the episode for you. 

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Show Notes

In this episode you’ll hear:

  • The idea of work ethic vs rest ethic
  • Why Japan is losing 3% of its GDP from overwork
  • A western history of celebrating being busy instead of rest
  • What is “noble leisure” and why we should do more of it
  • Why boundaries are critical for deep rest
  • The importance of sleep for productivity and creativity
  • How to reframe time off to avoid guilt

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About Max

Max Frenzel is the co-author of the international bestseller Time Off: A Practical Guide to Building Your Rest Ethic and Finding Success Without the Stress. His ideas have been featured in Fast Company, Financial Times, Thrive Global, Entrepreneur Magazine, and other publications. After receiving his PhD in Quantum Information Theory from Imperial College London and working as a postdoctoral research fellow at Tokyo University, Max has been involved in several tech startups, focusing on the intersection of AI research and product design. Most recently he has been interested in the applications of AI and deep learning to creativity, design, and music. Some of the AI-art Max has been involved in was exhibited at places like the Barbican Centre in London, and he is a regular public speaker on topics such as AI and creativity. In his time off, Max enjoys good coffee, tries to perfect his bread baking skills, and produces electronic music and performs around Tokyo. 

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